tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post3648682436262211858..comments2024-01-01T20:33:52.554-08:00Comments on a moon, worn as if it had been a shell: Vaccination -- or entering the fray, once againElizabethhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03313726816776097840noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-26841813980871305642011-08-14T07:28:17.403-07:002011-08-14T07:28:17.403-07:00I am not against vaccines but I do not encourage p...I am not against vaccines but I do not encourage parents to get them as it is their right to refuse. Recently we went for school physicals and the baby was due for 5 different injections to satisfy the state requirements. Our new pediatrician does not believe in giving all at once..."Unless I think I may never see the child again." She does tremendous research and it seems that DTAP and Verivax should NOT be given together according to the American Academy of Pediatrics. Risk? Seizures. Yet so many doctors are giving all at once anyway.The Baby got 2 shots not 5 and a medical exemption and I have 13 months to get the rest one at a time when I feel like it. As a nurse I've seen vaccines give to sick kids and one arrested hours after and had to be trached. As a nurse who has worked in a 3rd world country,however, i also see what happens in an un-immunized population especially during times of natural crisis of which we are NOT immune in the USA. Some physicians are ridiculous in shooting kids up with no regards for the side effect of the vaccine. Especially high risk children...If immunizations were given more carefully I think parents would not be as likely to refuse some of them. Finding balance is not something we as humans are especially good at.SECRET PEPPER PERSON:https://www.blogger.com/profile/06434583043459305729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-25840357782454740532011-08-10T22:55:44.952-07:002011-08-10T22:55:44.952-07:00These comments are really astounding. I just can&#...These comments are really astounding. I just can't believe how many of our little "group" -- our small community -- has so many stories. Astounding --Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03313726816776097840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-52167978347879683422011-08-10T22:30:21.416-07:002011-08-10T22:30:21.416-07:00I admire you, you never tire of fighting.I admire you, you never tire of fighting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-9270799948154858382011-08-10T18:26:36.752-07:002011-08-10T18:26:36.752-07:00Even if you get an answer, no answer will ever be ...Even if you get an answer, no answer will ever be enough.<br /><br />I will never forget the way my blood turned to cottage cheese when I asked someone I trust very much in the medical community, a prominent person who is without ethical reproach, about something I heard about a generalized term that I was told was often used about some of our kids, one that both shocked and horrified me when I first heard that it might actually be one that was really used by people in the medical community behind closed doors when discussing the benefits of vaccinations overall versus the percentage of casualties that can result when some of these vaccinated 'go badly'.<br /><br />I asked this person if they ever heard any colleagues use the term 'Collateral Damage'. And I will never forget the look on this person's face, one of almost shame, when I was given a very quiet, almost inaudible 'Yes'.<br /><br />And knowing that it has been two years since Bennett's surgery and he has advanced very little, seizures or not, I have very little love for vaccinations, since his catastrophic seizures, which I believed caused way more damage than anything else, started within 12 hours of his DTaP...<br /><br />Yeah...coincidence...sure....blogzillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08268388544631653375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-9486263461932704362011-08-10T14:24:35.987-07:002011-08-10T14:24:35.987-07:00Amazing, articulate, powerful letter. I'm so g...Amazing, articulate, powerful letter. I'm so glad you wrote it.<br />Once I approached my pediatrician neighbor and tried to discuss the convulsions my sister experienced immediately after receiving her DPT shot and the horrific losses that followed. This middle-aged doctor with two healthy children said, more or less, a few must suffer for the many and she would not budge from that stance. So luck of the draw and too bad for Marla, too bad for us. Never so much as an apology from the medical industrial complex. How I wish I'd had your letter in my hand to give to her. Thank you for writing it.Andreahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07247877396600721769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-85491440862205737552011-08-10T11:13:03.329-07:002011-08-10T11:13:03.329-07:00as usual, your voice is eloquent.as usual, your voice is eloquent.Lesliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01221703763145912238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-18079488334628238792011-08-10T08:33:58.693-07:002011-08-10T08:33:58.693-07:00Great letter, Elizabeth. Daniel's first seizur...Great letter, Elizabeth. Daniel's first seizure was in 1999, two weeks after his DPT vaccines. He almost died during the hospitalization that followed. The ped completely dismissed any suggestion that the shot may have caused his already impaired neurological system to overload.Carolynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05377137120590834662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-38767012916680601592011-08-10T06:12:54.399-07:002011-08-10T06:12:54.399-07:00excellent letter, elizabeth. i didnt know your who...excellent letter, elizabeth. i didnt know your whole story, since i just started reading your blog, but i can do nothing but sit in awe of your courage and determination.<br /><br />my son had what was diagnosed as a febrile seizure when he was age 2 (1978), and was put on phenobarbital until age 5. after he was taken off the phenobarb, his pediatrician gave him a DPT booster shot, and the next day he seized again, and was put back on phenobarb until he was 9 years old. he's fine; but i am beyond appalled to read what you and your daughter have been through and to have further confirmation of the toxicity of the DPT vaccine.susan t. landryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12454487318141469849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-33826141709680986792011-08-10T05:41:46.201-07:002011-08-10T05:41:46.201-07:00E - you are not alone. We decline the pertussis va...E - you are not alone. We decline the pertussis vax for A because when they asked us to do it, she was still 11 and it is only recommended for 12 and up, and also because our pediatrician (Bob Sears) said it is too new for us to know about any potential negative outcomes. We had to write a letter, and then also get a letter from him, but California law is VERY clear on the rights of parents to decline, and for good reason. Good for you for challenging the ignorance.Lisa Lilienthalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03152500885897993371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-75515308233342562242011-08-10T05:33:48.696-07:002011-08-10T05:33:48.696-07:00Hi Elizabeth, this post verifies to me,at least, t...Hi Elizabeth, this post verifies to me,at least, the power and control that the medical world continues to wield over us. It's the same everywhere in the western world. Now I ask, who is 'pulling their strings'? I think I know and if this control doesn't stop soon there will be lots of families suffering as does yours.<br />So great that you replied to the doctor...too risky for him to reply to you I am certain. But hey, wouldn't it be wonderful if some doctor did and opened up a dialogue on this topic.<br />JimJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11199777195853274898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-77958269399312683322011-08-09T22:08:47.679-07:002011-08-09T22:08:47.679-07:00I have been in LA all week, and have thought of yo...I have been in LA all week, and have thought of you so often.SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14174193133138897712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-18103643029323104412011-08-09T21:37:09.175-07:002011-08-09T21:37:09.175-07:00Gotta tell you,The Medieval Plague Doctor freaks m...Gotta tell you,The Medieval Plague Doctor freaks me out everytime I see him/her ...<br /><br />Your letter, as I read it, reminds me instantly why I love you so and the fact you used the "f" word in your post. Radical and necessary.<br /><br />I think I shared with you that in 1987 Jess received the DPT,at 2 months and reacted badly. Very badly. Never received another after. The other kids, minus Miss Z, have gotten most of theirs, just our decision and I judge no one who decides otherwise. Totally, absolutely, completely get it.Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04209967185741239050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-14327175691064706142011-08-09T21:27:23.267-07:002011-08-09T21:27:23.267-07:00Sorry, jarring mispelling, had to edit.
Your lette...Sorry, jarring mispelling, had to edit.<br />Your letter gave me goosebumps.<br />I have never thought much about this issue until a colleged age student at work was basically saying what that article said. I said there must be good reasons for the case against them? She told me no, it was just whack job parents, like people who won't let their kids get medical treatment. I didn't believe her. But I didn't learn more about it to make a case. I think I will send her this link.<br />Thank you.<br /><br /><br />BTW I am reading Boy in the Moon, half way through, on your recommendation. Thinking of you a lot. Amazing book.Bethanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03510823788662848522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-4190733473517539682011-08-09T21:25:22.577-07:002011-08-09T21:25:22.577-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bethanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03510823788662848522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-77643666385334846872011-08-09T21:12:50.010-07:002011-08-09T21:12:50.010-07:00I so admire that you responded with your letter. T...I so admire that you responded with your letter. Thanks for putting it out there, because it definitely needs to be.Tanya Savkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15296300747016479200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-21226545317027587942011-08-09T16:37:30.013-07:002011-08-09T16:37:30.013-07:00I think that the medical community feels as though...I think that the medical community feels as though they have put the autism-vaccine issue to rest and, as such, they have proven their point. Unfortunately, they have not addressed all of the other questions parents have about vaccines and their safety. <br /><br />I live in the state recently published as the least-vaccinated (ironically, Washington state, where this doctor hails from) and have to say that the battle rages on in my neck of the woods. I love that you added your voice.kariohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10150537989886423212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-84130770855741067622011-08-09T12:24:18.421-07:002011-08-09T12:24:18.421-07:00When the time came to vaccinate our boys, there wa...When the time came to vaccinate our boys, there was no question but what we would and we did. If I knew then what I know now, I would not have allowed it so casually. Our neighbor's four month old granddaughter died several days after receiving a vaccine. The pediatrician was so distraught that she gave up her practice. Needless to say, the two sisters that followed were not vaccinated. It's a tough decision and one I know you don't take lightly.<br /><br />Best,<br />BonnieFrom the Kitchenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00789641912016566894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-12765669561391579122011-08-09T10:55:53.997-07:002011-08-09T10:55:53.997-07:00it's a powerful letter, elizabeth. thank you.it's a powerful letter, elizabeth. thank you.37paddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12400464105403622384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-835839401410137362011-08-09T10:29:11.806-07:002011-08-09T10:29:11.806-07:00That made me cry.
The topic is such a difficult o...That made me cry. <br />The topic is such a difficult one. I've followed it since my older daughter had the high fever and "yowling like a cat" reaction to her 2nd DPT shot in 1986. She did not receive the 3rd. Her development was on the late side with every major milestone, and she suffers from ADD. My 2nd daughter got 1 DPT, had a reaction, and that was it. I, too, relied on herd immunity. Because C. now travels the world, I think she may have at some point in her adult life chosen to be vaccinated. That choice--hers--I can live with. Like you, I could not bear the thought of harm coming to my children at the hands of modern medicine and a medical establishment that did not seem to be forthcoming with all the facts.<br />Motherhood sometimes seems like a series life or death choices. We have to make the ones we can live with.<br />And you have an idea for a book there in your letter. <br />Where are those stories?? I can't imagine a better person to gather them.Denise Emanuel Clemenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10982725113569943337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-9210336068459037782011-08-09T09:32:58.679-07:002011-08-09T09:32:58.679-07:00Don't hold your breath.Don't hold your breath.Ms. Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09776404747858099919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-51616954439373731982011-08-09T09:26:00.365-07:002011-08-09T09:26:00.365-07:00Thoughtful, moderate, scientific discussions don&#...Thoughtful, moderate, scientific discussions don't make good press. Sad but true. Hopefully your voice and experience can be added to the mix one day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-25365196924368396552011-08-09T08:12:13.723-07:002011-08-09T08:12:13.723-07:00I wouldn't expect an answer. It would mean th...I wouldn't expect an answer. It would mean that the medical profession would have to be introspective and open-minded and willing to question "past Wisdom." Not one their characteristics, generally; there are rare exceptions. They forget the old adage: "Physician, heal thyself!"Phil Dzialohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04150881545903849250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-29943381715456186612011-08-09T07:48:19.904-07:002011-08-09T07:48:19.904-07:00What a perfect letter! Thank you for writing it! ...What a perfect letter! Thank you for writing it! As for an answer,,,don't hold your breath.Clairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13070297384173508509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-52383039626268501452011-08-09T07:40:50.134-07:002011-08-09T07:40:50.134-07:00That letter absolutely rocks. I think maybe you s...That letter absolutely rocks. I think maybe you should consider a letter writing business to go along with your cake baking gig. You could tandem services. I for one would love a letter written to my home healthcare company regarding the $1200 bill I recently received for right angle feeding tubes. (Actually, I probably just need you to help me edit out the swear words). And then I would need a very large German Chocolate cake to nibble on while I await Apria's response.Noanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01300868872496481473noreply@blogger.com