tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post4454323136400478035..comments2024-01-01T20:33:52.554-08:00Comments on a moon, worn as if it had been a shell: Vaccines -- A Very Important PostElizabethhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03313726816776097840noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-13250844093880714012010-05-01T08:20:21.434-07:002010-05-01T08:20:21.434-07:00So very disappointing. I thought of Frontline as ...So very disappointing. I thought of Frontline as the gold standard. This is brutal and I am glad your doctor called the producer on it in no uncertain terms. Also glad this man is your doctor. The craziest part (dovetailing with your recent post) is that the National Enquirer actually did the BEST and only real reporting on the Edwards affair, that now turns out was an open secret in "mainstream media." And now all the networks wonder how this went on? They all had the story, just didn't go with it because they didn't want to be alienated from access to the candidate. It is shameful (to use your doctor's word). And disheartening that there are so few news outlets to trust. And "tabloid journalisim" might be the best of the bunch.Moirahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03110304100788151254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-43735375518608957592010-05-01T06:38:00.934-07:002010-05-01T06:38:00.934-07:00Elizabeth, thank you for posting this. It's u...Elizabeth, thank you for posting this. It's upsetting that PBS would edit such a biased final product. In terms of the vaccine issue, I struggle with my feelings about it--I know there are many people with legitimate concerns about vaccines and at the same time, having studied early modern literature, I know what the diseases the kids are vaccinated against can do. There's a subtle irony or paradox with the current concerns about vaccines: the first parents to give their children vaccines were afraid to do so, afraid of injuring their children, but they were more afraid of the full-blown disease itself. What motivated them was the death and disability caused by disease. Now we worry about the death and disability connected to vaccination. I like your post very much because one of the questions it asks is, what is the proper balance?<br /><br />Anyway, it's funny, but one of the things that bothers me most is when people sometimes ask me whether Robert's problems were caused by vaccination, or urge me to consider it. The problems weren't caused by vaccination--and, given how uncertain the foundation of my life is, I guess I don't like it when people try to make that foundation even more uncertain, if that makes sense. As evidence builds that vaccines are responsible for certain childhood disabilities, I will incorporate that into my understanding of such, but I want a sense of balance with the inquiry. <br /><br />And I certainly hope that my remarks are taken in the objective spirit in which they were offered--I do not intend to offend anyone.jeneva22https://www.blogger.com/profile/14796890614666454443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-44920028111966973902010-04-30T22:47:47.120-07:002010-04-30T22:47:47.120-07:00Thank you Elizabeth, and thank you Dr. Gordon. It ...Thank you Elizabeth, and thank you Dr. Gordon. It is just sick. I definitely would have expected more from PBS.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11399324383367077919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-3994770936818144782010-04-29T22:36:30.931-07:002010-04-29T22:36:30.931-07:00I just found your blog off another persons blog, s...I just found your blog off another persons blog, saw your post, had to dive in! I have two children with autism, both on the severe end of the spectrum. My son became "autistic" after he was vaccinated! He did everything typically and then changed! I have it on video of him interacting with everybody, extremely affectionate, started talking early even started being able to name every type of transportation we have(trucks, cars, trains, planes, boats, ships, etc) walked on time, was even singing his ABCs, counting up to 20, matching up shapes and colors all before 18months, I thought I had a little genius on the way!!! Right after those stupid vaccines, he did a whole 360 turn, and lost his words, started walking funny, became unresponsive, had horrible tantrums, fecal smeared, wouldn't even respond to his name etc. Soon after he was diagnosed with severe autism!<br /><br />I went into a freaking tizzy, my daughter suffers from a very severe form of autism, she had all the signs even as an infant, you know (no waving, no pointing, no babbling, no words, no eye contact, rarely smiling, unresponsive to anybody or anything around her unless you gently touched her then it was world war 3, late walking nothing!) She has autism, classic case of autism. My son, no he never and still do this day does not have autism, he is and now will always be vaccine injured which happened to put him into an "autistic" state! It literally ruined me to watch my child just disappear, literally, like somebody came and replaced my child with a whole different child, it was insane!<br /><br />So when people say vaccines aren't harmless, yea come meet my son! If he wasn't vaccinated or if his vaccines were spread out more, he'd probably be outside skateboarding, playing sports with his brother, hanging with his friends, getting into all kinds of trouble being a boy you know? no instead he flaps around the house at times screaming at the top of his lungs for no apparent reason. <br /><br />I'm lucky I did the biomedical route with him, because now he has parrot language(echolalia) which to me is more then I can ask for and is finally potty trained! All because of a stupid vaccine!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05027492854137227468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-86708792646747564002010-04-29T19:49:50.629-07:002010-04-29T19:49:50.629-07:00My son had a bad reaction to his DPT shot as a bab...My son had a bad reaction to his DPT shot as a baby, screaming and crying for hours. When I talked to my doctor about it, he recommended my son not have anymore pertussis vaccines. My doctor at the time had a twelve year old daughter, severely handicapped from a reaction to a pertussis vaccine. <br /><br />That being said, I vaccinated both my daughter with DPT and any other vaccine needed. Katie's disability is from birth, or more accurately, from shortly after conception and the vaccines have not caused any problems. <br /><br />I think we all need to do what we think is best for our children, as you have done Elizabeth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-79781432273971411732010-04-29T17:43:58.794-07:002010-04-29T17:43:58.794-07:00This is a brilliant and absolutely necessary post....This is a brilliant and absolutely necessary post. Thanks for putting it up on FB for many to see. I am sorry for the pain this discussion causes you. I know quite a few kids (including one of my own) who were likely harmed in some way by vaccines.Denise Emanuel Clemenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10982725113569943337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-37933591199652652682010-04-29T15:50:42.904-07:002010-04-29T15:50:42.904-07:00When in our lives has any issue been black or whit...When in our lives has any issue been black or white, either/ or, clear and dry? Not in my life time. There is always, always room to learn more. <br /><br />Heck they can't even decide if eggs are good or bad. How can they possible think they know unequivocally that vaccines are good or bad? How can they be so grandiose as to believe they have all the answers one way or the other? How can they possibly believe there is no room for more research?<br /><br />In today's world the one thing science has proven over and over again is we still have a great deal to learn.Vikkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17244128212156453322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-75408685191328102812010-04-29T12:46:59.996-07:002010-04-29T12:46:59.996-07:00Thank you for posting this. My kids are older (9 a...Thank you for posting this. My kids are older (9 and 12), and like some of the others mentioned, when they were little, I just did what the good doctor said. My friend has told me what your doctor said; we need to re-think the vaccination scheduling. It's SO nice to read something that's not one side or the other, and I don't normally comment on vaccination posts because I have no strong feelings either way, but I do so here to encourage a REASONED dialogue.Aprilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12051174636017409935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-41479259249132486602010-04-29T09:26:13.114-07:002010-04-29T09:26:13.114-07:00Thank you, Elizabeth.Thank you, Elizabeth.Carrie Wilson Linkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01586157395539583862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-64683588400735150052010-04-28T20:43:58.161-07:002010-04-28T20:43:58.161-07:00I did a partial- VERY partial- vac set with Lola, ...I did a partial- VERY partial- vac set with Lola, and that's it. I think it was two. It's a complex issue that I read a lot about- a book the size of the Bible called "Just a Little Prick' documents pretty much every horrific fact you could imagine that is true about the history of vaccines in our country.Maggie Mayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14699674732274478502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-74996550419566925562010-04-28T20:26:47.111-07:002010-04-28T20:26:47.111-07:00Almost 23 years ago,our oldest daughter received h...Almost 23 years ago,our oldest daughter received her first set of infant shots ... later that day she screamed a high pitch scream for 5 hours.5 hours.The on call Ped assured me"his daughter did the same thing" and told me not to worry about.2 months later,when we returned for the next set,our regular Ped inquired about adverse reaction from the last, to which I told him,to which he said ... no way for the pertussis part.No way.I remain indebted.<br /><br />Fast forward to Miss Zoey.Granted, bringing into this world her own set of pre-exciting complexities but one week after a major dosage of shots we saw her first head drop and from there,hell came knocking.Infantile spasms and well,no need for further explanation.Although Zoey had suffered a stroke and that remains to be her focal spot,I cannot help but wonder if that grouping of shots started the ball rolling.I will never know,but I will always wonder.And I will always tread lightly,carefully and cautiously as we introduce any further vaccines.<br /><br />A very important post indeed and thank you for it.Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04209967185741239050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-68358641884545225772010-04-28T20:12:37.224-07:002010-04-28T20:12:37.224-07:00I have vaccinated both my kids, but not without wo...I have vaccinated both my kids, but not without worrying about it, before, during or after. As you say, it isn't as simple as any of the camps want to make it seem.Angie Muresanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13830360358541367259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-77325996955044708492010-04-28T17:17:27.161-07:002010-04-28T17:17:27.161-07:00I read this and felt awful...to think that the vac...I read this and felt awful...to think that the vaccines that were given to my kids could possible have done something to them freaks me out! I know I just did as the good Dr. told me and I never gave it a though..so naive of me. Thank you for posting this.Ellenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00912709342270151365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-18284523042121049272010-04-28T14:21:19.616-07:002010-04-28T14:21:19.616-07:00This is the EXACT reason why all my news comes fro...This is the EXACT reason why all my news comes from E! At least it's a bunch of garbage parading itself as a bunch of garbage instead of as the bearer of all knowledge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-12834177058438789132010-04-28T13:33:05.987-07:002010-04-28T13:33:05.987-07:00Elizabeth,
This makes me absolutely sick. It absol...Elizabeth,<br />This makes me absolutely sick. It absolutely reeks of propaganda. "We can't have mothers going around not vaccinating their children, so let's not give them credit for considering the data and making an informed decision; let's just tell them what we want them to hear." Bravo to Dr. Gordon for his intelligent and brave e-mail to the show's producer. I hope that this will give people pause before taking so-called documentary evidence as gospel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-77819522461838165782010-04-28T13:16:10.955-07:002010-04-28T13:16:10.955-07:00Your pediatrician sounds like a man of deep integr...Your pediatrician sounds like a man of deep integrity, courage and honor. Wonderful qualities!<br /><br />It makes me sad to think that even PBS is getting corrupted with biased reporting. I would have expected a higher standard from them.<br /><br />Thank you for posting a "fair and balanced" perspective. Thank you for having the guts to name your personal bias, and for explaining that it's based on experience. This is the way to invite an intelligent dialogue.Gbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08895779471612397202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-71148345889771623092010-04-28T12:12:58.542-07:002010-04-28T12:12:58.542-07:00First of all, your new header is spectacular. That...First of all, your new header is spectacular. That's a 'manati', an animal we still have in Cuba.<br /><br />Vaccinations, that's a hot topic as you rightly said. We didn't have our children vaccinated and I still stand by our decision. There's too much at stake and little accountability. I know exactly where you're coming from as a parent, but also as a human being. And thanks a lot for all that information. It helped me understand the dilemma better.<br /><br />Greetings from London.A Cuban In Londonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16423293358605007539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-51993968392586025752010-04-28T11:45:56.447-07:002010-04-28T11:45:56.447-07:00Thanks for putting this up Elizabeth.Thanks for putting this up Elizabeth.Clairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13070297384173508509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-2914374790071415782010-04-28T11:42:27.193-07:002010-04-28T11:42:27.193-07:00You know how I feel about this, I don't need t...You know how I feel about this, I don't need to go into it here. The worst is for someone who profits from the vaccine to say that millions do not matter. If they don't, he should honestly and ethically create a fund to support the effort of those parents who are shouldering the cost and don't mean just economically for this tragedy.<br /><br />He doesn't have to admit any guilt in the matter, he just has to give those millions that aren't important to him to a worthwhile cause.A.Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06947308878002639964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-43874078136970864442010-04-28T11:30:16.109-07:002010-04-28T11:30:16.109-07:00Vaccines were a given when my boys were infants. ...Vaccines were a given when my boys were infants. They had the vaccines and, thank goodness, came through just fine. Faced with that same decision today, I would be reluctant to take the same course of scheduled vaccinations. I read, with great interest, your pediatrician's discourse and am appalled. My neighbor's infant grand daughter died several days after a course of vaccinations. Her pediatrician discontinued her medical practice because of this baby's death. There were no lawsuits involved. She simply felt the vaccinations were the cause and was devastated. That was fifteen years ago. I'm saving your blog to pass on to my children. Someday, they will probably be faced with the same decisions. Thanks for sharing this.<br /><br />Best,<br />BonnieFrom the Kitchenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00789641912016566894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4863417462909147257.post-91801532728318200402010-04-28T10:59:44.255-07:002010-04-28T10:59:44.255-07:00My daughter, now labeled MR by the school district...My daughter, now labeled MR by the school district, was never <i>diagnosed</i> with infantile spasms, but I spent months document at what time and how long each convulsion (I really don't know what to call it) lasted. <br /><br />To this day I don't know what was going on with her or how, if at all, that relates to her developmental issues.Steph(anie)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01345590378662641435noreply@blogger.com